Talk:Main Page

Replacing the Evolution page

Heya, I've been working on a replacement for the Evolution page, and the rough final copy of it here. After I have it scanned for obvious errors and fact checked, would it be ok to completely wipe the old Evolution page in favor for this one?

I ask because it's a massive, built-from-the-ground change, and I would erase all the information on the page (possibly archiving it on the talk page).--Ragen (talk) 07:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll let the page set for at least another day. If no one else has replied, I'll go ahead and archive the data on the old page and put in the new stuff. If you have any complaints, please let me know.--Ragen (talk) 20:09, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

It is up!--Ragen (talk) 16:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

General Wiki Discussion

[12/08/2012] I am new to editing wiki pages so I thought I might post a note here. I've added some things to the Skeleton Knight discussion page that could use some attention. Thanks! --Rius

[27/07/2012] I agree on the cards appearing in the cards list. Would be nice with a unreleased tag that make them not even show up unless properly linked or perhaps a special list only for unreleased cards. The reason why I added them was because the whole day people has been talking of Brunnhilde being the new referral card due to some troll adding it here. Adding the cards which really might be the upcomming referral cards, seperated from the already released, gives people an idea of what to expect and helped calm the rumor. --Vmattsson

[27/07/2012] Yes i see your point, but I really would mark them as "unreleased", because I think many people are accessing the Cardlist and just looking for cards they don't know, where they see the unreleased cards ... --User:Mindsonic 22:04, 27th July 2012

[27/07/2012] Personally I really like the non-released cards. Shows where the game is heading towards and most people won't access them anyways. --Hadrune

[27/07/2012] And one more proposal i want to make: Its very irritating for me, to have cards included in the wiki, which are not released in the game. I would propose to either delete them till they are released officially or to mark them as "unreleased" --User:Mindsonic 17:17, 27th July 2012 (GMT+2)

[26/07/2012] Did u need the 5th Evo Stats? I have them of so. --User:RageTrades-Blogger

[26/07/2012] You are creating the platform by hardcoding or do you use a cms? If you need help, i would like to :) I have nothing to do the next 2 month (then I'll start studying^^).
Hm i think the ajax call would kill more resources, than just loading it by default. But I'm not the best in resource management xD.
I'm working on a small Android app which should fetch the infomation from the wiki and display it transformed into a mobile layout... but I'm not sure if this will work... just a try :) --User:Mindsonic 22:18, 26th July 2012 (GMT+2)

[26/07/2012] @User:Mindsonic Since a price is no fact i don't think it belongs here. But im starting up a trading platform atm, that should -in the end- be able to calculate the avarage value of a card, generated on demand.
Btw, regarding button to switch basic and advanced stats. I thought i already replied, but apparently it did not came through :(. I'll quickly reply it this time; If the button fetches the additional data by another ajax call, it would be ok, but if it only shows or hides columns it would be a waste of sever resources fetching not used data. --Ezo (talk) 23:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

[26/07/2012] And how about adding a variable to each card, which shows the current price in Holy Powder? maybe with a timestamp, to show if its the current value? --User:Mindsonic 16:49, 26th July 2012 (GMT+2)

[23/07/2012] How about adding a button, which allows you to switch between basic (only important information) and advanced (all statistics) view? --User:Mindsonic 19:15, 23th July 2012 (GMT+2)

[23/07/2012] I agree, although i don't really want to stuff the table much further.. I think having a second "analyzing" table, will be better for this purpose. Then we can remove the max attack also from the main table, and to the analyze table, including the 8-15 stats. I will add this data to the card's semantic data. --Ezo (talk) 16:02, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

[23/07/2012] Can we add a power efficiency master table for the Category:Cards section? Would be interesting to check the figures and see which cards are the most efficient per power point spent. Perhaps add a note about that those rankings are only based on the clean cards (so without effects proccing). --Hadrune

[16/07/2012] @Svtanthony, that's what I thought. Then the cards' ATK and DEF should match the values in the Archive. I had changed some cards that way only to see someone change it back to the values displayed on the card itself in inventory and I wanted to make sure I wasn't screwing it up for everyone else. --Wlin

[16/07/2012] @Wlin, what needs to be entered is the base value without bonuses so that we can avoid some confusion that could arise from differing evolution methods. IE. lv2 card could be made from 2 fully enhanced Lv1 cards or 2 base cards or 1 of each. Then lv3 cards have more possible combinations. For most cards.( non referral and non treasure)

lv2 = base x 1.2

lv3 = base x 1.4

lv4 = base x 1.8

will possibly code this for future cards so that users need only enter lv1 card values. Still TBD.--Svtanthony 16:36, 16 July 2012 (CDT)

[16/07/2012] @Hadrune: Hmm, I must be doing something wrong because it wasn't letting me delete or overwrite the original image. I'll try again later, thanks. --Wlin

[16/07/2012] Just delete/reupload Akeron to Archelon, was from Japanese wiki. --Hadrune

[16/07/2012] Also, can we get a consensus here regarding what ATK and DEF values are supposed to be entered for the cards? I've been putting in what shows up in the Archive from in-game, but I've noticed that some users are entering the numbers that appear on the actual card, which includes the 5% evolve bonus. --Wlin

[13/07/2012] Is there any way to rename or delete an uploaded image file? The Archelon image was uploaded under the name Akeron.JPG. There are no references to that image according to the image page, so I assume it would be safe to rename or delete it so the image can be re-uploaded under the correct name. --Wlin

[12/07/2012] Hence why I put the speculation bar on the events. It's to make it easier. --218.186.18.254 11:48, 12 July 2012 (CDT)

[11/07/2012] As long as we clearly mark those as speculation I don't see the problem. I feel that the Japanese version will keep on deviating from our version but they are certainly using many elements which makes the 'rumor mill' quite interesting.

[11/07/2012] Just saying, they are not sure if they want to release the 5th evolves yet. They want to keep the game a bit different from the Japanese version (which is why I put the Slayers of Fafner on the wikia while everybody told me it would be a special card pack and I was an idiot) and they are not sure if a 5th evolve is a good way to go with the non-Japanese version of the game. Now, as the Admin of the Wikia for Rage of Bahamut, I've already decided I wanted to put all the info I could get on the Wikia regardless of it actually getting released or not. What you guys do with it is your own kind of thing ;) You can either take the same direction as I am taking, or you could always put stuff on the site which is actually gonna happen exactly as you say. Bahumut5 19:14, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

[04/07/2012] thanks, i coded that into a switch that will ultimately call the 5th evolution formulas. --Svtanthony 14:30, 4 July 2012 (CDT)

[04/07/2012] From the jap wiki
Demon : Tiamat, Temptress Vamp & Bahamut
Gods : FP & Odin
Man : Yuki, Jean D'Arc, Lancelot & KA

Yup this is all. It's not confirmed yet so unless we want to start a speculation corner? --Mr Grunt 21:48, 3 July 2012 (CDT)

[03/07/2012] Do you know how many cards have a fifth level evolution? If its a few, we can create a simple formula for determining if it has a fifth level evolution. Otherwise could you add a (T/F) field for fifth level evolution? Thx (BTW, love the changes. LOL) --Svtanthony 19:03, 3 July 2012 (CDT)

[03/07/2012] Few more pages that should be updated to new template. Any comments on the updates of the cardset template by the way? See the difference between old and new. And at last, i had to enable caching for the wiki, as it was crashing the server multiple times a day due to high traffic.

[30/06/2012] Ah, you're getting it too? All right then, thanks and sorry for derailing the properly wiki-related discussions here hehh. --Vecos 10:31, 30 June 2012 (CDT)

[30/06/2012] They seem to be working on translating the game. I don't think there is need to worry. --Ezo 10:25, 30 June 2012 (CDT)

[30/06/2012] Hmm a bit of a strange question, but am I the only one who is sometimes getting a weird looking "My Page" page? Instead of 'Inbox' at the top it says 'News_Available', for example, and there's weird hyphenated text everywhere, like 'You_have_presents_waiting' and 'You_have_a_free_vendor_available'... The usual selection of card images under the order name is reduced to one card slot which shows the default 'empty' graphic. It's rather disconcerting :x --Vecos 10:23, 30 June 2012 (CDT)

[29/06/2012] Can we don't call this Holy wars 4? TBH I'll say it's not a New holy war, just redigging old stuff. So it should "Stand alone"--Mr Grunt 08:07, 29 June 2012 (CDT)

[29/06/2012] Ah I had linked/made it as Holy wars 4/There are a few changes in the new version. --Hadrune

[29/06/2012] Updated with the New (OLD) Holy War, Going to take an ingame screenshot for the banner. But honestly, AGAIN? --Mr Grunt 07:37, 29 June 2012 (CDT)

[28/06/2012] Can someone put up the sektor card pictures and evolution

[28/06/2012] as a temporary solution you can look at this Media:Rage_of_bahamut.xls line 367, or even add the card.--Svtanthony 05:23, 28 June 2012 (CDT)

[28/06/2012] @BadGrammar, If it's not here with the search function, it probably does not exist in the wiki yet. If you want, you can add the card to the wiki.--Ezo 02:37, 28 June 2012 (CDT)

[28/06/2012] I was looking for my card named "High Gunner" on this site. I don't see it? -BadGrammar

[27/06/2012] Yes, I will pick up contact again, and see if they are still willing to place the link. --Ezo 08:08, 27 June 2012 (CDT)

[27/06/2012] Think we are now (new main page, cards sorted out) about ready for that official affiliation if RoB still wants it Ezo. --Hadrune

[27/06/2012] Hi guys, I'm still around... just really too busy with work and things. I'll throw in a couple write ups soon. --Mr Grunt 11:41, 26 June 2012 (CDT)

[25/06/2012] Need help linking some changes to card info to tables. EDIT: Tables have been linked.--Svtanthony 23:46, 25 June 2012 (CDT).

[25/06/2012] @Mindsonic Ah, that'd be great. I had that background as well, but getting a bit rusty on my HTML/CSS (im purely into PHP now). I'll head over to your talk page. --Ezo 09:33, 25 June 2012 (CDT)

[25/06/2012] @Ezo Ok :) I could further help you with design or coding. Im doing webdevelopment a several years CSS/HTML/PHP/MySQL and so on, Android and Java too. So if you need me just tell me. i would be glad to help you. --Mindsonic 14:46, 25 June 2012 (GMT+2)

[25/06/2012] @[[User:H (around 200). --[User:Mindsonic]] 09:07, 25 June 2012 (GMT+2)

[24/06/2012] @Mindsonic, i agree that the spam is annoying, but i already installed some software to protect from most bots and the rest could be cached from the Special:RecentChanges (which i have open at home and work). @referral codes, i can't see the harm if they are placed on your user pages, but they shouldn't appear in articles/talk pages. Having your referral code on your user page slightly stimulates contributing, as contributing increases the chance a reader finds the way to your code. Anyone thinks otherwise? I know Mr Grunt did, but not sure if he's still around and what his motivations were. --Ezo 16:05, 24 June 2012 (CDT)

[23/06/2012] Sorry about that, I just copied somebodies page and added my own info. Didn't think much about it ;) --User:Bahumut5

[24/06/2012] @Anon: Removed invite code. Didn't know that it's against policy. Maybe an admin should create the Rage_of_Bahamut:Privay Policy, Rage_of_Bahamut:Copyright, Rage_of_Bahamut:About so the policy is clear.

[24/06/2012] @Mindsonic: To prevent spam/abuse on wikis is also the job of contributors. Ezo wants to keep the wiki open to everyone. I concur! Keep it open! Hivemind ftw!

On a spam related note: Mindsonic and Bahumut5 have invite codes on their page and i'm itching to remove both codes. I think we have a strict policy not to post any codes at all. --Anon

[23/06/2012] You're welcome. We all started a Wiki(a) with the same idea in mind I figured, so we might as well help each other out a bit ;), --User:Bahumut5

[24/06/2012 Yeap has been updated. Thanks for the tip. --Hadrune

[23/06/2012] Hey all, I'm the admin from the Rage of Bahamut Wikia (the one you got the info about the speculated upcoming event). Just wanted to inform you guys that the event is just speculations, and unconfirmed. I think it might be wise if you guys add this to that page as well, to avoid problems in the future if they decide to release a different event first. Yours sincerely, --User:Bahumut5

[23/06/2012] Maybe the admin should change create/edit rights to registered users only, to prevent spam like: ColeenFurman669, KarlottaLipp821 and many more. --User:Mindsonic

[19/06/2012]
http://rageofbahamut.wikia.com/wiki/Slayer_of_Fafner shows upcoming event rumor. --Hadrune

[19/06/2012] There are some new cards like manticore, chimaera and so on, and some of the unreleased are released now like satan (was the price of HW3), but i dont know how to make the new card links and get the photographs (but i can say who had the card i saw) but io can help u with informations :)-cj19

[12/06/2012]
is anyone able to make a page concerning orders. So different ranks/sizes/options for building towers/castle etc? Don't have that info myself :-( --Hadrune

[08/06/2012]
Sorry for being away, busy preping for HW3. I'll do out the new setting for the Holy Wars event page. --Mr Grunt 00:53, 8 June 2012 (CDT)

[07/06/2012]
@previous anon poster: fixed your daphne++ atk and def. the atk and def values we are looking for are the ones from the archive,because there's no retained boost included. --anon 13:27, 7 June 2012 (CDT)

[07/06/2012]I'm an anonymous helper.The Daphne++ has been updated with atk/def power and also the info.Also i added a small text at Getting Trade Offers.The text is following:People also want fair trades such as rares for rares so don't try to give normal cards for rare cards.Hope you don't mind.I will try to correct any wrong words and try to update the info on this wiki.Also try adding info about Cure Water,Holy Powder,Evascenent Holy Powder,etc.

[07/06/2012]
Couple things. First, stepped out for about three weeks, and hot damn this looks good! Keep it up! Second, I am really frustrated that we can't put a pin on the enhancement formulas. Maybe we can compile data, but I talk about that more in the discussions on the relevant pages. Third, Ezo, I was looking at the spreadsheet, and the only thing I would criticize is the random card part. I agree it would be cool, but I question it's utility, but like Jounochi says, not a big deal/hurry. --Anon

[04/06/2012]
Would suggest adding a Card link in the menu. Also some information on evolving and enhancing cards, use of the three main stats and trading perhaps could be useful as content? --Hadrune

[04/06/2012]
Structure looks fine. About the card lists, can't we just add another row with rarity? Seems like an easier option and allows users to search on whatever preference they might have. --Hadrune

[04/06/2012]
I designed a bit in a spreadsheet (who needs photoshop), for the structure of the homepage. I realized it's kinda hard to make an edit to it, but you can copy to a new tab, and edit in there.
Regarding card lists; I think the Category:Cards is pretty nice now, and we can make lists of missing cards at the child faction categories. Can we replace the List of Man with Category:Man cards now, or first split the table up in rarity groups? --Ezo 12:46, 4 June 2012 (CDT)

[03/06/2012]
Content & structure needs to be uniform before we agree imo. Can't we ask an excel file from mobage with all the cards? I do agree with Jounochi however, what is missing can be filled in the coming months. --Hadrune

[03/06/2012]
Content wise I think we are pretty good. I think that the main page should have the notes stretched at the top and just to the left of the bottom of that box have the content. Latest news could go in another box just to the right of that. It is a wiki however and I believe that those things shouldn't really matter right now. --Jounochi 12:19, 3 June 2012 (CDT)

[03/06/2012]
The thing is that visitor/contributor ratio is about 500:1. I'd like to spread the homepage space accordingly. Contributors tend to know how the wiki works --Ezo 11:48, 3 June 2012 (CDT)
Mobage offered to make a link to the wiki page; but i wasn't sure about the servers holding the traffic spike, but that probably will be fine. Are we ready content wise for the great public? I think we should agree on the main page content & structure and the card listings first. --Ezo 11:48, 3 June 2012 (CDT)

[03/06/2012]
We should get the community portal up and running imo. Next to the clarity for fans about the correct fb/twit/forums/fanpages for RoB we can also get more awareness and contributors to reach the wiki. --Hadrune

[03/06/2012]
If you want to reach contributors, why don't you do something like the guys here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
Put up a main page with 2 columns: the left one "for readers" and a right column "for contributors". As long as you don't need to scroll down,this should be efficient enough to reach coontributors. --anon 08:23, 3 June 2012 (CDT)

[02/06/2012]
Uploaded most of the info I had. Working on filling in all gaps and confirming Card order in Archive--Baal-Daredevil 11:14, 2 June 2012 (CDT)

[31/05/2012]
It's some discussion in game. BTW, rob forums still down for me--Mr Grunt 11:57, 31 May 2012 (CDT)

[31/05/2012]
Yea that's possible i'll edit the card template to include a boolean named "obtainable from quest(s)". --Ezo 11:15, 31 May 2012 (CDT)

Is it possible to have updated the cards obtainable via the quests? Such as what is attained when going through the normal quests. That would probably be very helpful

[31/05/2012]
Yea not sure how to communicate templates, For data consumers/visitors (over 2k a day now) template names are useless.. We would have to reach contributors with such information. What's a good place for that? And regarding the speculated hack, where did heard that? Robforums is up again now.--Ezo 11:12, 31 May 2012 (CDT)

[31/05/2012]
Nice Ezo, btw should I update the main page with the stuff the admins posted? It seems like an important announcement. Also ROBforums is down and there were speculation that the reason why in game accounts were hacked is because most user on ROBforum uses a the same Username, it's a possibility that they uses the same PW as well and thus hackers who hacked the site can get access to those accounts ingame and siphon the cards away. --Mr Grunt 10:50, 31 May 2012 (CDT)

[31/05/2012]
I created a new template based on the a card page, which is very easy to call;

{{Smallcard|Ax Master}}

will return this:

Ax Master
Attack: 3,210
Defense: 2,460
Power: 23
Rarity: High Rare
Skill: [Monster Hunter]
Effect: Big boost to damage against dragons; medium boost against large bosses

I considered this type of template useful on event pages. I am a poor designer, so feel free to edit Template:Smallcard, or discuss customizations on it's talk page. --Ezo 04:11, 31 May 2012 (CDT)

[31/05/2012]
I haven't heard anyone retrieving special rewards.. Maybe after the rewards are handed out, people get the special rewards, like when they slaughtered a round number of dragons.--Ezo 04:11, 31 May 2012 (CDT)

[31/05/2012]
On the reward page after the individual rewards for number of kills there was a small area that mentioned secret or unknown challenges. It doesn't look like it's on the event page on the wiki but it mentions something about a mystery reward at the bottom. I believe though the event meant that there is multiple rewards for fulfilling certain requirements. You wouldn't happen to know anything about this would you? --Jounochi 24:11, 31 May 2012 (CDT)

[31/05/2012]
Which secret challenge? --Mr Grunt 23:56, 30 May 2012 (CDT)

[30/05/2012]
I want to know how I fared and what the secret challenges were!! I checked the Japanese wiki but there wasn't any details on the secret challenges. Maybe an American exclusive? --Jounochi 22:05, 30 May 2012 (CDT)

[25/05/2012
Just finished with all of the normal and high normal cards. Some still need prices so if anyone could just skim through them real quick and add if you can. I will start focusing on human rare cards a little later. --Jounochi 14:18, 25 May 2012 (CDT)

[25/05/2012]
Nice documentation Mr Grunt, i was too lazy to document my 8 evolves.. @anon I don't get the message entirely yet, but i'll try to make a reply there.

[24/05/2012]
Gonna post up my exploration with 8 card evolve later on. --Mr Grunt 21:22, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

[24/05/2012]
Good job on the template! About the max atk/def: dimonblades suggested a good way to determine a cards max values in the card discussion section below.
It's also used in a separate section for Lilith Liz and Princess. --anon 17:04, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

[24/05/2012]
Thanks, it's more centralized now (all the Demons, Gods, Man templates are identical, besides their first line defining faction). And indeed, until we found the formula to the max dmg, i suggest we hide the variable. Lots of cards don't have rarity set though, and for sorting/categorizing/display purposes i'd like to have it separated from the card name. I updated some cards here and there, but there are still enough remaining, recognizable by their empty rarity field. --Ezo 13:22, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

[24/05/2012]
I really like what you've done with the demon template and it would be awesome if you used it on the man and gods. Also, will that take off the max stats? I feel like that is the most useless/difficult/annoying information to get.--Jounochi 09:31,24 May 2012 (CDT)

[24/05/2012]Sure, as long as it will be updated, i'll lock it. Also i updated the demon template a bit, mainly in the code behind it. It's now suited for all types of card sets (non evolvable) Shall i use the same base for Gods and Man as well?--Ezo 03:03, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

[24/05/2012]
Nice Ezo, but If possible can you lock the Main pages? like Main, Current Event and stuff like that... Some people came in here and had "Some" fun --Mr Grunt 23:47, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

[23/05/2012]
Ok, i got and tested a captcha system. I only popup under certain cases, but if there is still spam, i'll stricten it. --Ezo 17:41, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

[22/05/2012]
@Tenlaven You're right. Value of a card is 150%,200% and 300% of base form. This does not apply to referral cards,which step up in rarity with each form like Princess and most likely Hild ,too.--anon 10:25, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

[21/05/2012]
I just set up the pages Man, Gods, and Demons, to redirect to their respective list pages. --Tenlaven 19:27, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

[21/05/2012]
@Jounochi Would be nice, but we would have to avoid entering duplicate data. Depending on what we want to show in the table (all cards, or just first/last form) i can setup semantic media wiki to generate a "table row template" which retrieves data from the card-set's page. Then we can make an uniform display for all factions and avoid duplicate input/updates. --Ezo 04:45, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

[20/05/2012]
Do we want the Gods and Demons page to be a table like the Humans page? Other than filling in card information what else needs to be done? --Jounochi 18:30, 20 May 2012

[19/05/2012]
Thanks. Something I've noticed about the prices is that there is some consistency to it. The "++" level card seems to always be twice the value of the base, and the final forms are thrice the value. The "+" level is half the final's value. If this doesn't hold true on all of them let me know, but so far I've been correct. --Tenlaven 22:23, 19 May 2012 (CDT)

[19/05/2012]
I'll help you out Tenlaven. I've been slowly chopping at that page and I'll start getting the prices down on some of them. By the by, we need to make a wiki order! Make it a little more official no? Anyways off to editing! --Jounochi 20:42, 19 May 2012 (CDT)

[19/05/2012]
I'm working on all the High Normal Gods pages now, I'll make sure it's correct when I get to it. --Tenlaven 19:51, 19 May 2012 (CDT)

[19/05/2012]
Could I request someone remove the template currently assigned to the Thunderbird page? It should probably be using Template:Gods. --Wlin 09:24, 19 May 2012 (PST)

[19/05/2012]
Several spam accounts were created between 0300 and 0900 today (not sure about time zone, I'm PST). Might be a good idea to introduce some sort of mechanism like anon mentioned. --Wlin

[17/05/2012]
why don't you activate captchas or other mechanics to prevent spam accounts? useful link: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam --anon

[17/05/2012]
Sorry for being away due to Holy wars 2 and Diablo 3, will be back to update more stuff and also BAN more spam bots. --Mr Grunt 23:43, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

[09/05/2012]
@Garanoth : You can only evolve cards with those orbs at the right bottom corner of the card. Do check out the in game guide in Menu > Guidance > Evolving, they have a lot of information for you. Also whick knight you refering to? Holy Knight? Or are you referring to Dragon Rider? If holy knight you can evolve them, but not Dragon Rider. Hope this helps :) --Mr Grunt 07:47, 10 May 2012 (CDT)

[09/05/2012]
user:ezo Phoenix is a treasure card, which cannot evolve. I just added that to the wiki's cards page. @mrgrunt, I'll see how that works, and avoid referral spam.

[09/05/2012]
Garanoth: Not sure if this is the place for this, but I can literally find nothing else about this game. In this wiki's section on evolving cards, you use the example of a Rare card. Can you actually evolve rares? I've tried multiple times (With 2x of the Phoenix, and with 2x of a rare Knight (on the man side)). Can I get some info on how this works, or if it does? Can someone who's more knowledgeable make a wiki page about it? I have a ton of these piling up expecting to be able to evolve them at some point, but it isn't happening.

[08/05/2012]
Mr Grunt : Hey Ezo, can you lock up some of the pages from unregistered users? Check the history for current events, another dude just came in to advertise his code......--Mr Grunt 20:09, 8 May 2012 (CDT)

[07/05/2012]
Echocrash: I use the Japanese wiki site and just save the images they have. Like i click all 4 images and save them so they're like 300x240 or so

[07/05/2012]
Mr Grunt : Oh and good luck on the Easter Island hunting :) --Mr Grunt 23:06, 6 May 2012 (CDT)

[07/05/2012]
Mr Grunt : BTW you guys got your images from? Some of my images are taken using my phone, thus the bigger borders. Shall we standardize on 1 single source so we don't have different kind of images? --Mr Grunt 23:05, 6 May 2012 (CDT)

[07/05/2012]
Echocrash: Okie dokes

[07/05/2012]
Mr Grunt here, Echocrash I'll put your stuff in the talk page, if you're fine with it so we dont cramp the front page :)--Mr Grunt 22:21, 6 May 2012 (CDT)

[06/05/2012]
Echocrash here, to add pictures to the new template, you need to use the File.jpg name of the file you uploaded. I'll update the how to add cards

[06/05/2012]
Hi Ezo yeah I am gonna add stuff too if you don't mind, and I might add japanese cards by accident, my bad. Also, how do you put pictures into the template for demons? I tried to do that for the baby cat page i made, but I couldnt put pictures in. Btw add me in game qwertyuiop14948, or on robforums chillpill56

[27/04/2012]
Hi Ezo, if you don't mind, I'll also be addind stuff here on this wiki. You cool with that? LMK either thru here or my IGN is MRGrunt. Thanks :)

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Re: Re: General Wiki Discussion -- Johncfl71 (talk) 08:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

I tried looking for it but my eyes couldn't pin point it. Which values are we putting in for cards? Archive values or in-game evolved values? Only caught my attention when looking at Skeleton Knight discussion page.

Never Mind. I found it on the How to add page. I knew I read it somewhere. lol

Re: General Wiki Discussion -- RageTrades-Blogger (talk) 05:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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Re: General Wiki Discussion -- Rius (talk) 22:08, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

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Latest Updated Column

I've added a latest updated column so that it would be easier for people to see the latest large article anyone has types. If only theres an automated function which does this =/

BTW I'll try uploading some images once I knock off work. --Mr Grunt 21:25, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Found something interesting, still cant find the English translated version. http://www.dm5.com/manhua-yulongzhe/ This manga feels like Rage of Bahamut LOL --Mr Grunt 06:32, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

Propose Layout for event

Link Here

Their layout for event is nicely done, I feel like doing something similar, any suggestions? --Mr Grunt 01:16, 8 May 2012 (CDT)

Agreed, looks good for an event index page :) --Ezo 04:42, 9 May 2012 (CDT)

Card Discussion

[25/06/2012] I'm interested in adding a calculator to calculate max stats. I made some suggested changes to the card list table but don't know how to link to tables. --Svtanthony 23:20, 25 June 2012 (CDT)

[3/06/2012] Agreed, We can also switch to the automated generated pages (see category:gods cards) I can change the display (instead of the table) and split up the list based on rarity or what we want. Problem is that the list will only show cards that exists in the wiki. So it's harder to find cards that are missing. --Ezo 08:27, 3 June 2012 (CDT)

[3/06/2012] There is some discrepancy between the listing of the cards. I would suggest we adopt one format and make sure all three sections conform to that format? --Hadrune

[31/05/2012]
Good to hear that! Because the rounding errors, i still think we should store the max atk/def at the base card. Incase the data is not available, we can use the *2,5 coefficient. I also found a forumla that calculated the atk/def stats of a card in 8max, 6max, 6-2 max and 4max evo. It seemed pretty accurate and based on the base card stats. Download xls. Download as excel to see the formlas

[27/05/2012] Apparently, the enhancement coefficient is 2.5 ! Source: http://robforums.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=taeb7566ji0fh3mj3c8op0gck5&topic=4846.0
This works great for Lilith Liz. The base ATK * 2.5 will get you to 6600 ATK and same for Liz's second form. However, for Bunny Lilith Limil and Alberich the deviation for the coefficient is less than 0.01. So there are up to 15 points missing. --anon 16:44, 27 May 2012

[25/05/2012] So you say that the number of max enchanting a card is fixed per card, and will be summed to the card's base stats (which can be higher then normal if the base card was evolved). But then we still need to figure out the card's gained per level stats, and they are similar for every rarity. And then for the max stats, also include the base cards of previous evolutions, in most enchanted form.. --Ezo 05:24, 25 May 2012 (CDT)

[22/05/2012] Might I suggest that the maxATK and maxDEF values be the + amount that is added to the stat of the card when it is brought up to max level? That way no matter how they evolved a card, bringing it to max will add that much to the stats of the card. --dimonblades

[21/05/2012] Autogenerated tables are 'broken' now. The "Card" template used to had metadata columns hidden in the template, which fed the tables. I'll modify the man/gods/demons tempaltes now, so the form 1 card data will be used. Done. God Cards, Man Cards, Demon Cards work again. Though the default display template is limited, we can fetch that data and make a custom template. --Ezo 10:44, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

[18/05/2012] Let me know how your findings go. By the way, there seems to be an issue with the cards using the "Card" template vs man/god/demon so the tables are not properly generating under each sub category. We need to fix the cards or fix the forumla (or both) so that the tables pull all the relevant data. --Preisty

[18/05/2012]
I will agree that Max Atk and Max Def is ambiguous, Except for the 1st form's max level, after evolving it will be hard to know but the Scale level I've checked is some what around 1.8 - 1.95 of the 1st form's max stats. I'm now working on an 8 card evolution Gramr, so when I'm done with it I'll list down and see if there's a fomular to know. BTW this will be under another heading for discussion of stats. --Mr Grunt 20:59, 17 May 2012 (CDT)

[17/05/2012]
For simplicity...everyone now needs to know how to evolve their cards(the wiki way) and needs to know it prior to submitting to the wiki. And people still post wrong data regarding a card's base value(Yes,they do sometimes! Even i got it wrong at first!). And evolving is tid bit harder (see the questions about evolving;yes,people don't RTFM) Another thing on simplicity: If you can say "hey,we can do it this way or the other way" ,then it's definitely ambiguous and chances are people may interpret it the worst way possible. --anon

[17/05/2012]
How are the fields ambiguous. The the assumption is a perfect evolution since it is MAX as in max attainable. The only variable is that AQ's can increase max stats now. If you want to go further we could do 5/6/8/16 card evolutions however I think for simplicity it is easier to base on a regular 4 card evolution. --preisty

[17/05/2012]
MaxATK and MaxDEF fields are ambiguous! What kind of data belongs to that field (especially)for higher forms? Imagine someone ,who hasn't enhanced prior forms and now enhances a card to its max level. Does this count as max? Or does this count only for those,who enhanced all the prior versions? The latter won't work nicely for final form cards,because of a lot of missing or inaccurate data. --anon

[17/05/2012]
Templates updated to have a MAXATK and MAXDEF field. This will allow people without the cards to see their max stat potentials. --preisty

Useful Links

https://sites.google.com/site/gamingank/home/rage-of-bahamut - Includes atk/def stats calculation for cards, quest information, event information, etc.

Just Checking anyone facing problem with their exp bar?

Hi my exp bar become negative. It that common?

Re: Just Checking anyone facing problem with their exp bar? -- 199.27.128.244 04:15, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

It happened to me too. I dont know what to do

Spam -- Mindsonic (talk) 00:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I think we have a problem with the spam filter concerning User_Talk's. We got some spam there in the last days, I removed them but they return. Maybe you have an idea, User:Ezo? --User:Mindsonic 02:16, 18th July 2012 (GMT+2)

Re: Spam -- Ezo (talk) 09:36, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I made the post/edit filter even tighter..

Re: Re: Spam -- 173.245.50.165 03:51, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

More spammers...again. And they're creating pages with unrelated info. Are there any admins on this site anymore?

Refferal cards -- 173.245.53.129 19:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC) -- 173.245.53.129 19:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

When will we see a new referal card? Its been Lucielia for quite some time now, saw on the earlier referalcards that they only stay for about a month.

Re: Refferal cards -- 173.245.53.129 19:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC) -- Ezo (talk) 20:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, i also was wondering when the new card would arrive. Especially with the recent news.

Formulas for determining cost effectiveness of Evolved feeders vs Unevolved feeders -- 199.27.128.187 21:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) -- 199.27.128.187 21:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) -- 199.27.128.187 21:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I did my own research and math into figuring out which way to enhance is more cost effective. To simplify the math, I based my formulas off of the percentage of leveling the skills of my fully evolved and max enhanced Sektor. The skill of the Sektor was at level 3.

An unevolved HN card provides 4% chance of skill up. A fully evolved HN card (now a rare) provides 6% chance. All of the percent variables are written as whole numbers. For example, 5% was represented by a 5.

My formulas were:

Unevolved <cost per %> = <Cost of enhancement> / <percentage gained>)

Evolved <Cost Per %> = ( 4 * <cost of single evolution> + <Cost of enhancement> ) / <percentage gained>

in my trial problenm it ended up being:

Cost per % = <Cost of Enhancement> / 4

Cost per % = (1725 + <Cost of enhancement>) / 6

I do not have enough data to further refine this formula (such as how the current skill of the card affects the percentage gained. I tested and noticed that increasing experience yielded a similar percentage difference on experience gained as the chance of skill ups. I entered these formulas into a spreedsheet. My results showed that using unevolved HN feeders are the most cost effective until the enhanced card is level 68. If my math is correct, this is a great starting off point to figure out which way to enhance costs less. you can contact me at winerdarfatherofebis@gmail.com

Re: Formulas for determining cost effectiveness of Evolved feeders vs Unevolved feeders -- 199.27.128.187 21:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) -- 199.27.128.187 21:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) -- Ecksofa (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

You can find the formula to calculate the skill up % on the enhancement page.

Added Reward Pics -- Johncfl71 (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2012 (UTC) -- Johncfl71 (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Added reward pics for graphic content in Wiki. Reward graphics are under 'Reward_x.jpg' where x is the reward (ex. Rupies = Reward_Rupies.jpg). Examples:

• = HR Up = Reward_OverHR.jpg
• = Card = Reward_Card.jpg

Re: Added Reward Pics -- Johncfl71 (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2012 (UTC) -- Ecksofa (talk) 22:29, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

you could make a template for that. Then you just have to tpye {{Rewards|Rupies}} to display the picture. or you make a template for each picture. in this case {{Rupies}} would be enough.

When you use it, it looks like this (click edit to see what code i used) "The reward is 1000x Rupies"

I would make a template for each of them, with the exact name that is used ingame. Because then, you can simply copy the content from ingame to the wiki and add the parentheses to the text without the need of changing the text to much. So it is faster.

When it looks to difficult, other wiki users wont use it otherwise. The template page for the Rupies code is this one: http://wiki.rageofbahamut.com/Template:Rupies

Re: Re: Added Reward Pics -- Johncfl71 (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2012 (UTC) -- Johncfl71 (talk) 06:39, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for the advice. I'll get on it for the others.

Re: Re: Added Reward Pics -- Johncfl71 (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2012 (UTC) -- Johncfl71 (talk) 07:15, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay finished. I changed it to reflect how it would show in game.

 {{Rupies}} x 10,000 

Would return: Rupies x 10,000

The only one that is different is Card due to a Template already existing for it. So it would have to be written as,

 {{Card x}} 1

Would return: Card x 1

So, for other usually handed out rewards, it's exactly as listed in game.

Re: Re: Re: Added Reward Pics -- Johncfl71 (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2012 (UTC) -- Johncfl71 (talk) 09:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Added a Rewards template for cards.

 {{Rewards|Elven Queen}} 

Would return:

Elven Queen (SS Rare)

I just don't know how to allow text beside the graphic so it can be 'Image x 3'. Adding text right after such as:

 {{Rewards|Helvera}} x 2 

Would return:

Helvera (S Rare)

x 2

I've played around with it but can't figure it out. So, in the meantime, I put it a table. See Holy Wars - Wrath of Lightning and Silver Coins sub-section.

New/Seperate Page for Position Skills -- EchoFilterr (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC) -- EchoFilterr (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey I've never edited a Wiki before but I figured since I can grammar and no one else has put this info up yet, I started filling out info for the new Holy Wars Wrath of Lightning event.

Let me know if I'm doing anything wrong, but I'd like to ask for a new page that contain all the info on Position Skills. It'd take up a huge chunk of the HW: WoL page and I can safely bet that these skills will be here to stay in some degree in the following Holy Wars.

What do you guys think? New page, or straight onto the Holy War: Wrath of Lightning info? Currently I'm just stuffing it into the same page but it wouldn't be hard to cut/paste

Re: New/Seperate Page for Position Skills -- EchoFilterr (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC) -- 108.162.231.26 00:41, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

http://wiki.rageofbahamut.com/Holy_War

Re: Re: New/Seperate Page for Position Skills -- EchoFilterr (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC) -- Johncfl71 (talk) 01:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks good on the new page; however, it doesn't have all the positions - Support Leader. They could change it for later. Don't know if they are going to have Ad-hoc Orders like the last one, so things could still change. You beat me to the punch on putting in the info on Holy Wars - Wrath of Lightning event. Did a few mods for easier reading.

Jeanne D'Arc 5th Forma Evolution table -- Johncfl71 (talk) 05:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC) -- Johncfl71 (talk) 05:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

The 5th form evolution table for Jeanne D'Arc is not showing. I can't figure it out. It's on the list of 5th forms in the evolution template.

Zeus doesn't follow evolution norms -- Johncfl71 (talk) 05:11, 2 February 2013 (UTC) -- Johncfl71 (talk) 05:11, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Zeus doesn't follow normal evolution tables (Lord Arthur also from what I hear).

Can anyone verify if this is just a mistake or are they coming out with cards that go up to skill 15 and totally different evolution...